Anyone who asks me who is the greatest rapper of all time is usually shocked to not hear me immediately shout "Jay-Z" or put the Roc-a-fella diamond in the air. The truth is, Jigga is my favorite rapper, but I've never been completely comfortable giving him the crown as the greatest. That doesn't mean I don't consider him the GOAT, but it does mean that I'm open to changing my assessment when a good argument is made for other greats like Biggie and Rakim. Biggie made "Somebody's Gotta Die," "Suicidal Thoughts," "I Got A Story To Tell." Rakim's lines have been bitten so much that they've become hip hop cliches. Do you understand the lyrical power of creating a catalog of cliches?But those aren't the only artists I feel are worthy of the throne. (There's, of course, Weezy F. Baby--please say the "Baby". Sike nah!) But really, Andre 3000 may be quietly taking the scepter for himself. Think about it. Homie has done everything every great rapper has done. Lyrical? Heck-muthaphreakin-yiggidy-yes-yes-yall. Stories? Yezzir. Thuggery? That too. Charismatic delivery? And you know this. Flow? Heavy, like a period gone bad for a fat girl. He even went psychedelic and made The Love Below. Other great rappers did the same thing, just not to much acclaim and with such cohesion. (Electric Circus anyone? Cee-Lo Green and his Perfect Imperfections? The Soul Machine was fantastic tho.) Andre went left and we still couldn't help but follow. Blond wig, hammer pants, bird chest and all, we were double-clappin' to women shaking like a polaroid picture.
Remember when Jay went left? Oh, that's right, he went right and made Kingdom Come, the album where he flew to Mars in his G-4, cigar in hand, and left us behind. He said he wanted to expand the scope of the music. He did, but so did Andre, to much more artistically gratifying results. I'm not advocating for 3 Stacks here, nor am I turning my back on Hov (pause), I'm just presenting a case. My biggest gripe with Jay is not that he doesn't have the capability of artistic genius, but that he doesn't live up to it. In fact, he refuses to. His egocentricity does not allow him. He was comfortable with being recognized as the greatest. He didn't feel the need to go 72-10 or 16-0. The championship ring was enough for him. He views each of his accomplishments as something that trickles down to the common folk of the hood. He is the carrot in front of the horse, the pool beneath and the branch above Tantalus; the unattainable goal. His brand of altruism is about self-indulgment first, which is itself a contradiction. "I do this for my culture/ To let 'em know what a nigga look like when a nigga in that roadster." Thanks Jay. We appreciate it. The hood needs that. Black people need that. :-|
I contrast that to Andre 3000's first lines from "Da Art of Storytellin' (Part 4)":
She said, "Why in the club you dont make it precipitate?
Ya know 'make it rain' when you could make it thunderstorm?"
I’m like, "Why? The world needs sun. The hood needs funds.
Theres a war going on and half the battle is guns.
How dare I throw it on the floor when people are poor?"
So I write like Edgar Allan to restore. Got a cord,
Umbilical, attached to a place that can't afford no landscaping or window draping
This old lady told me if I ain't got nothing good, say nathan
that's why I don't talk much
I swear it don't cost much to pay attention to me...
You lie, Andre. It does cost to listen. Would Jay make it rain in the club? Hecky nah, son, but for completely different reasons. "I gotta get mines, you gotta get yours," would undoubtedly be his reply to a chick asking him why doesn't throw his cash in the air for fans to grab. You get the feeling that Jay thinks that he worked hard to make this money, not to give it away. And if he is giving it away, better believe he's getting something for it. <>It's the hustler's mentality.< /sarcasm>
To be fair, an artist's worth and talent cannot be a derivative of his perspective. If it were, a 5 year old's crappy crayon drawing of the sun, flowers, and happy faces would be viewed as "better" than intricately detailed drawings of ugly ish. So I'm not saying that just because 3000 has a more community-conscious conscience, he's better than Jay. If that were the case, Talib, Mos, Common and every other rapper do-gooder would be the subjects of endless GOAT debates. (And sadly, in some circles they are.) It's really about the level of artistry. Most neglect to put Tupac in the list of Top 3 rappers for the simple reason that he wasn't lyrical. Yes, he could touch you in ways unimaginable (no homo/jacko), but he was often lyrically simplistic and metrically one-dimensional.
Jay and Dre are artistically heavyweights in all categories. However, you get the feeling that Jay has no problem being lazy when Dre cannot stand the thought of it. Where Jay can come up with a hot 6 lines and feel that's enough to coast through the rest of a song, Dre has to make sure the whole verse is hot. He wants you to quote the entire verse on your Facebook page, not just a hot couplet.
And that's why I'm ready to consider: Andre Benjamin > Jay-Z
Discuss.
(And yes, I said "Da Art of Storytellin' (PART 4)". Exclusive! *DJ Clue echo*)
12 comments:
1. Thanks for blessing me with the track...
2. Thanks your for finally at least entertaining the idea. Most times the notion of 3stacks being the greatest is considered laffable by most from above the mason-dixon. but the key is that 3stacks is an artist. that is where the drive for perfection comes from. music is really one of the only art forms where you can be appreciated in your time, but eveyr great artist is ahead of their time cuz its about vision. now jay is like a warhol...he finds a style and milk and milks til the udders spew dust. like look at the protraits. a lot is in the same style and there is clearly a basic formula. Not saying hes not good, but its pop art. Dre is like every other artist. he goes through phases. the masses dont get him. but im willing to bet that my kids and grandkids are gonna be like "how could you even put them in the same boat?" all artists have a god complex. their goal is to create something with life, that will be as relevant as humanity. its about a certain immortality. all the greats have done it. John lennon, tupac, biggie, james morrison (the doors), etc. to me that is 3stacks. jay prolly doesnt care if nobody remembers his music...as long as you respect his hustle...and dont try to touch his money.
First of all I'm gonna say The Love Below made Andre 3000 my favorite artist because it proved he could kill the hip hop as well the soul music, which are my two favorite categories of music. However, I could never take anything away from Jay. I think that 3000 is definitely more dedicated to the craft of making perfect music. He's not worried about the hit single or first week sales or any of that. But I hate when people try to act like Jay is a one-dimensional artist. How can people act like Jay isnt deep? Do people even listen to the lyrics in songs like these:
renegade
meet the parents
seems like (the Katrina Song)
this can't be life
song cry
d' evils
regrets
lucky me
you must love me
soon you'll understand
where have you been
heart of the city
never change
Momma loves me
some how some way
a ballad for the fallen soldier
lost one
Of course he has his songs like Big Pimpin and Give it to me, but can you blame him? As he states in his intro to "Ignorant Shit", when he makes those types of songs everybody wanna hop on his dick, (no homo) but when he tries to make something thought provoking, we say he's falling off. I think Jay and 3000 both try to make intricate music for their fans, but 3000 has fans who are more appreciative when he tries something new. If Jay ever tried to take it where 3000 went, we'd all run for cover. It's just not what we expect from a personality like his. That's why 3000 is so versatile. He's so outrageous, we have no expectations. Jay is the opposite. The supercool super-hustler. He can't get away with everything 3000 can. He's trapped in his role: Fly or die.
Up until American Gangster, I was almost ready to hand the crown to 3 Stacks. But then Jay came and dropped my fantasy album, the one I swore he would never make. He took it back to Reasonable Doubt. This may be my favorite album after Reasonable Doubt, with the Love Below coming in 3rd. Its just too crazy and too smooth. And it was so unexpected. When I heard Blue Magic, I though Alzheimer's had gotten Jay for sure. But if you take out Hello Brooklyn, it's a straight masterpiece. Let's also not forget that Jay just broke a record for the most number one albums (i think), tying Elvis Presley and coming in second to the Beatles. Wake up people! This is history in the making! He predicted it in Volume 3 way back in '99! Okay, enough about Jay.
3000 is the man, no doubt. You know you hot when you can shop in the women's section and still be a contender for the throne. His wordplay is somethin vicious. He's one of the most original rappers ever. But he doesn't have as much material as Jay. Does that mean he's not better? No. Biggie didn't have nearly as much material as Pac, but I still consider him the greatest of all time. Pac would never step to Biggie in a battle. He couldn't do what Big did. But they were both taken before we could really see what was what.
So who wins between Jay and 3000? I think 3000 is more appreciated right now. I honestly don't think Jay will be fully appreciated by everybody until he's dead and gone. So for now I will delay my judgement until 3000's next rap album...
Um, I thnk you have the game twisted with that last paragraph. 3000 might be more appreciated among the scholars, but niggaz in the street always gonna be on Jay's jock. Honestly in a battle, I think 3 stacks would take anybody. Now AG is a classic (INCLUDING Hello Brooklyn (that song is not for northerners despite the title...its a trunk rattler)). If you look at the money, prestige and notoriety that Jay gets, he's blowin 3 stacks out of the water. Theres no way that you can say Jay is not appreciated. He got what he wanted. He dont care about appreciation...otherwise he wouldnt not have made The Black Album or Kingdom Come. He lives by the Diddy code...All about the Benjamins. Where as 3 stacks is a Benjamin. So he lives by the code of the artist. This arguement will forever be divided simply by the mason dixon. But if you take any individual catagory that truly matters to actually mc-ing 3 stacks wins. You name the catagory and Ill tell you why Andre edges Shawn.
And the reason why American Gangster is a classic is because its inspired. I can listen to every track on that song and pretty much figure out what scene of the movie inspired that song. BUT, that is just a novelty. He cant revive his career on that. Niggaz not gonna wanna have to see a movie to feel his shit. He gonna have to come down from the penthouse, stop living "the party life" and identify with the people.
But listen to 3 stacks. Ill start with The Love Below. It is the jouney that a young man takes as he is finally introduced to love. You remix...dude was inspired by tryna talk to a whole foods waiter. When you listen to 3stacks you feel like you been there before...but he still tells you about shit you never seen. But its not like Jay. Jay tell you about shit that makes you envious, like VIP and poppin bottles. 3stacks tells you what its like when you "hate to see them frown, but" you'd "rather see her smiling." Now most niggaz in the hood prolly aint never felt like that themselves, but they seen that kinda love somewhere.
I'm OFFICIALLY crowning 3 stacks. Sorry, Jay, but until you learn how to see life the way the rest of the world does instead of from your perch I'm the soup Nazi (seinfeld...). Not to drag Mos def into this arguement (cuz hes not a contender), but he reminded us that hip hop is about the people. The king must walk among us, not look down on us for the DJ booth. Voting Jay the king of hip hop would be like electing a nigga president that aint lived in America for the last 8 years.
This is anonymous...but 3STACKS FOR PRESIDENT OF HIP HOP!!!!
ok let me clarify my statement. since this discussion is among scholars, I meant to say that in certain collegiate circles, andre 3000 is more appreciated for his lyricism than jay is. this is probably due to differences in preference or just plain lack of exposure to jay (i'm not talkin about big pimpin either).
as far as battling goes, i'm going to tell you the same thing i told you before. 3000 is a great rapper, but he's never been known to battle anyone of importance nor can i even picture him battling anybody. it's not his style. he's more of a painter than a fighter. in contrast, jay has battled (and beat) many of the top names in hip hop (ll cool j, nas, etc...) this isn't to take anything away from andre 3000. it isn't his fault that he doesn't battle. it's one of those parts of hip hop that never really seemed to catch on in the south.
as far as jay getting money off catchy singles, i can't blame him for that. you're talking about someone's whose only alternative was selling crack. big pimpin may not be what you call "art", but i liked the song. it's better than (selling) crack. right?
as far as your claim about 3 stacks being better than jay in any category, i disagree. i think its proposterous to say a rapper at jay-z level is inferior to any other rapper in EVERY category. clearly he's got certain strengths 3000 doesn't and vice versa. so i invite you to name the category and i'll tell you who's better and why.
as far as AG, i see that album being classic because it shows jay going back to his roots and his beginnings and doing what he does best. i didnt need to see the movie to know this album was the truth.
and when you say jay doesn't speak to the people i don't really know what you mean. he may have songs like party life, but like i listed in my comment above, he has songs that are real and connect to people in the hood.
i don't really see three stacks as necessarily connecting with the reality of what people in the hood are going through. niggas aint really fallin in love too much in the hood. niggas aint meetin chicks in the whole food store. aint no whole food stores in the hood. its liquor stores. see what i mean? to me 3000's music is more about imagination than reality, which is also hot to me. this is why i can appreciate songs like jay's party life. i don't drink patron, but sometimes it's nice to imagine yourself on top the world (Jay) or in outer space (3000). it's all good. it's just offering a different perspective on life.
I'll admit, jay has a tendency to rap from the mountaintop, but still he has moments when he IS amongst the people (hardknock life, all the other songs i've been listing...)
just so you know, the same things you were saying about jay can be applied to 3000. they are both in their own worlds. alot of rap fans say they can't really feel 3000 cuz he's too far out there. these are the same cats who like him on the first album when he was thugged out, but then kinda lost interest when he got the head wrap and started rapping about aliens. he's really in outer space with his music. personally, i love it. but one could also argue that the king must walk among us, not look down on us from his space shuttle...
as i said before, i'm not passing judgement yet. hopefully 3000 will drop a solo rap album, and then maybe jay's response will determine the outcome. until then, i'm gonna try to keep quiet. to be continued...
P.S.
Even when Jay is lazy, he's lazy in the way Ali was lazy. He may be looking sluggish to the untrained eye, but 9 times out of 10 he's still gonna fuck u up. 11 years STRAIGHT in the game (SOLO) and he's still puttin rappers on they ass.
'96 and forever...
One of the biggest differences in our arguement is that you keep talking about Jay's material. But you keep bringing up shit from reasonable doubt and Vol 2, clearly his two most revered albums. But them shits came out when i was in elementary school. And when you was talkin bout people not feeling Dre, those is the igonorant niggaz who dont really listen. They just see, and see Jay livin how they wanna live in the material aspect (not knowing that everybody cant live like that). Unfortunately them niggaz dont get a vote, cuz mentally they not 18 yet (the legal voting age).
I will say this. Jay once sat atop the game. But Jay is not Bobby Bowden. You dont just get to say "Look at my past body of work and everything I did for rap. I keep the crown as long as i want." And frankly until American Gangster thats what he was doin. And 3 Stacks was like Robin Hood...of the people, no matter how space age (which was not a new concept down south...8ball and MJG) he got. No you may not have ever fallin inlove in whole foods, but every nigga got taken back to that time where you was so stuck that you couldnt muster any coolness. Every nigga has rolled over and thought, "What if shes the one?"...even if they would never admit it. And Hey Ya was every niggaz guilty pleasure...dont front, you had the hand clap down pact.
What I'm saying is hip-hop's theme is a little diddy by Ms. Jackson. What have you done for me lately. And I think that Jay saw that he couldnt survive on his past merits and after a long hiatus decided to live up to his potential. But rap fans are like yeah imma buy this album, but we been here before Jay, and its gonna take more than a rejected Movie soundtrack to make me a believer again. You should want in a hip hop king everything youd want in a real ruler. Dre gives his all every time cuz he knows he should. Its never politics with him. Jay is a politician. He gets ahead...it just so happened that he made a classic album in the process. But New rule, you can only bring up material release since the year 2000. This will prove my point about who is the best now.
And as far as nobody battling 3000, its cuz he dont step on toes. Believe me, battles do happen in the south, but its like southernes have to battle so many other odds to get played, its like fuck a battle...come spit on my track and we can both fuck the game up. But just because you never heard Dre battle dont mean he wouldnt murder nobody in a battle. Like come on. Dre would be spittin shit at Jay, and Jay would be like hold on, lemme go wikipedia that. Like no, Dre not finna be all in somebody face, but you gotta understand the mentality of the cool southern brain. Its more insulting to hit a nigga wit shit he dont understand, cuz its a double edged sword...not only are you this, but you too stupid to knowwhat it is. Any body can say i put a condom on your baby seat. Big whoop!
And about a solo album, Dre did it and it was called The Love Below. One of the Greatest albums of all times. But youre never gonna get an entire rap album him cuz he's bigger than that. That would be like asking Leonardo da Vinci to stop inventing stuff and just paint. You cant stiffle the creative nature of the artist and expect quality results...for the same reason its so hard to breed pandas in the zoo. The shit just dont feel natural. But the fact that he never put out a true solo rap album and is being discussed lets you know his prowess. He raps with another top ten MC, in a completely different style and still finds his own vioce. Now you tell me when Jay has done that? Cuz Big outshines him. And then he surrounds himself with cats like Bleek. Siegel smashes him a lot (cuz he's of the people). Amil. Stop. And then everybody else is just for novelty's sake and they come on a spit whack verses. But put Jay in Outkast. He wouldnt make it. Theyd be like remember that one nigga that used to be in OutKast...whatever happened to him. So the solo joint is not a good arguement...cuz on the real he dick rode his way to the top.
So as it stands:
1. Jay is at his Highschool reunion in his football jersey from his "glory days". But it ont quite fi the same.
2. Dre is the nigga that got ignored and now everybody is like "I didnt know HE even went to school wit us back in the day...that nigga blew up"
3. Weezy was the class clown that turned it into some change in the long run...
Dre has the crown now...and if he does release a solo rap album its only gonna get harder for niggas.
PS. He not even my favorite rapper, but he mking a strong case for that title too.
This is anonymous...I'm out here Bret Favre-in
Look. the difference between us is that I'm a huge fan of both jay and 3000. I can bring up material for Jay and 3000 cuz i'm a fan of both. i know what they're both capable of. since you're talkin about jay post 2000, let me give you a sample of some of his realeast shit, not including his hits:
this can't be life
soon you'll understand
where have you been
ain't no love
never change
song cry
renegade
mama loves me
lyrical exercise
meet the parents
some how some way
some people hate
blueprint
a ballad for the fallen soldier
justify my thug
my first song
lost one
i made it
minority report
beach chair
pray
american dreamin
no hook
say hello
success
fallin
and the list goes on...
as you can see, if you're talkin about post 2000, jay is actually gettin better.
the thing is, you've probably never listened to half of these songs, whereas i doubt you could find a 3000 verse i haven't heard except maybe off the first album.
if you're gonna admit that jay once sat atop the game, i'm gonna ask you when 3000 took his spot since Outkast did come out before he did. at what point did 3000 become #1?
If we're talkin about Outkast post 2000, that's Stankonia, Speakerboxxx/The Love Below, and Idlewild. Stankonia was my first Outkast album. Can't nobody tell me shit about that. Of course the Love Below is a classic. I fuck with every song on that shit. But is it rap? Dre only raps on one song on the whole album. It's beautiful music, no doubt but I don't think it can count towards this discussion. Idlewild was a nice album. It had some nice songs on it but it came up short in terms of being a classic album.
And when you're talking about battling please don't speak of hypotheticals. The fact is Jay-Z has battled names and 3000 has not. C'mon man. you talkin bout jay. he's battled legends. who has 3000 battled?!?! NOBODY!!!
And don't for one second say 3000 would make Jay look dumb in a battle. They both are 2 of the most intelligent rappers in the game after Canibus (yes, Canibus. if you disagree, do your research before I make you look stupid as hell...)
how could you say 3000 has the ability to spit shit jay wouldn't understand? jay is a rap genius. 3000 might like to use big words more often than jay, but jay is far from a slow rapper. retract that statement. and the fact that you brought up jay's rhyme about condoms on the baby seat shows your lack of exposure to jay. that rhyme wasn't great because of it's wordplay. that rhyme was painful because it was based on reality which, as a battle rapper, i can tell you is even worse. but there are a million other lines you could've found that show jay's lyrical prowess.
as far as rapping with other rappers, 3000 consistenly outshines Big Boi.
as the greatest of all time, Biggie outshines everybody. so what? jay hung with him and held his own in "brooklyn's finest" way back in '96 when he was just gettin on. that says somethin.
sigel never smashed jay. stop it. sigel's just harder.
jay would never be in outkast cuz it's a southern group and he's a new york cat, but lyrically it would be big boi who would suffer if that ever did happen. that's like puttin 3000 in Onyx. the shit just wouln't work.
what do you mean jay dick rode his way to the top. whose dick was he ridin? excuse me, but i thought he rhymed his way to the top. i never heard of a nigga being able to dick ride all the way to the top. what u mean?
i'm gonna say it like this. jay has way more material than 3000. PERIOD. love below is not relevant in a discussion about who's the better rapper. it's great music. it's art. it's not rap. i think even 3000 said that. so like i said, we're gonna have to wait for that solo RAP album.
even tho i love jay, i'm actually kinda rootin for 3000. if he takes the number one spot, it's gonna mean a whole new era for hip hop. it's gonna be a positive change. but he's not quite there yet.
keep brett favre-in...
your arguement comes down to "what jay could do" vs. "what dre is doing". and that what it is. on everything 3 stacks does he does it like its his last song ever. when jay did his supposed last album, it was somewhat forgetable...
so until jay comes with it every time, then he cant be on top of the game. its not about amounts. its about percentages.
This is anonymous...Favre goes deep...
your arguement comes down to "what jay could do" vs. "what dre is doing". and that what it is. on everything 3 stacks does he does it like its his last song ever. when jay did his supposed last album, it was somewhat forgetable...
so until jay comes with it every time, then he cant be on top of the game. its not about amounts. its about percentages.
This is anonymous...Favre goes deep...
INTERCEPTION!!!
wut are you talkin about?
3000 hasnt had a rap album since Stankonia way back in 2000.
okay he's been nice on his features: Walk It Out, Throw Some D's, You, Players Anthem, and What A Job.
that's all fine and well, but jay could've done the same with seven years off.
besides, that's like five rap verses, compared to jay's five albums since 2000.
quality over quantity can only go so far.
this is the one of the reasons why jay beats nas for the crown.
if what you're saying is true, and the king must be among the people, where the hell has 3000 been for rap?
if anything, he's been a deadbeat dad, dropping in every other year when he gets off tour.
i think you must have been mistaken with them statements that you make cuz...
holla at me son
P.S. Dre's verse on Da Art of Storytellin four is smallpox sick. Good job 3 stacks. Now make me a solo album damnit!
to ask dre to drop a whole album and only rap, or mostly rap is like asking Mj to play a game and only use his right hand. Now Jay only has his right hand to ball with, and he's damn good with it, but 3 stacks gets in the air and has his choice of hands. so you can say, why dont he just go to his right? cuz he doesnt have to. Goin left doesnt weaken his right. it just lets you know he's goin to the basket. one way or the other.
Frankly you can't knock a guy for expanding his horizons. The kind of music Dre releases is of the highest quality and it takes time. Pumpin out a bunch of albums with a few bangers doesnt make you better than the guy that drop 5 classic verses in 5 years. Being of the people is not the guy that is always in the streetand talks about everything any hopes somebody can feel it. Being of the people mean you can talk about something and everybody can feel it.
I mean we can list songs. We can talk about this and we can talk about that. We can speculate about the world and how it feels, but all you can say is how you feel. Our difference is because you have different criteria than me. If i say something, youre gonna tell me how jay does it too. And its true. Jay does everything 3 stacks does. If not, we wouldnt be having this conversation. But i think that in most of those catagories Dre goes slightly further. Dre is not best by a mile. But if you win by a nose, you still stand in the winners circle.
So to Brother Garr, I think in order to truly make this debate worthwhile a criteria should be established in order to make sure well all start at the same place and go through the same ports. Establish a brain trust (no homo). And everybody weigh in. Kinda like on MTV...but this time we (assuming I am invited into the trust) wont botch it.
A BK nigga for Jay + A Eastside Nigga for Dre= Spinning your wheels
This is anonymous...flag on the play
tell em why you mad son!!!
y'all have mad all the points in the world but as a hova aficionado, and outkast addict since southernplayalistic..., i would go as far as to agree that andre > shawn.
to not beat a dead ass horse, i'll offer this one alternate... rel, how many times has hova let you down? as a chi-town nigga that can recite reasonable doubt through vol.2 word for word and pick it back up at roc la familia, jay has let me down before!
i know what girls like
sunshine
mama i made it
anything (with usher not annie)
snoopy song
im at work so i cant really flesh that shit out...
but jay throws a lot of shit at the wall and everything dont stick, lol. what does stick however is more consistent than any artist in the game but 3000. andre has NEVER let me down lyrically. i'll admit i got a little testy with the idlewild soundtrack, but at the end of the day 'kast has yet to go left in the layup line and miss! beyond that they're one in the same with regards to artistic ability, creativity (when jay draws upon it), sales, longevity, and iconic presence (in their respective geographies). the only one-up i'll actually give jay might be his role as hip-hop trendsetter. he changed hip-hop fashion with one song and simply put, niggas wanna be him. dre might have always been a lil too out of reach for niggas to touch or emulate but that never translated into disdain or starvation.
the only reason why i hate this argument is because big boi is arguably #3 right behind these dudes and whereas Mike was always great... playing alongside Pippen could only inspire him to iconic levels.
Big Boi might have been Championship Shaq to 3000's Kobe. Sadly, however if Jay drops 30 a night like Kobe too, the post-Blueprint Era Beans, Bleek and Co. is his Lamar Odom & Luke Walton. Either way Kobe's gonna put up the same stellar numbers every season, but without an equally talented supporting cast to push him the season will most likely end quietly. With AG he proved he can drop 81 with ease and win it on his own but... ah the metaphor has gotten out of hand
pz.
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